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Chit Chat / Things are not always about you heartwarming story
« Last post by MichaelExemy on June 23, 2018, 07:09:44 PM »
This is a popular "get to know each other" type of thread on many forums.

So, tell us about you. You dont have to if you dont feel comfortable to
Chit Chat / Re: moving - Updates on Magic_Dragon
« Last post by TNTease on June 20, 2018, 03:27:21 PM »

Magic_Dragon says "I'm doing great".  He's finally got his VA records transferred over to the new location, and he's been to see the VA doctor.  He's got a few more days till he gets a place to live.  He said to say hello to everyone.

[VA = Veteran's Administration]
Chit Chat / KETO DIET ---- WTH is this "Keto" thing I keep talking about?
« Last post by TNTease on June 19, 2018, 07:09:15 PM »
I've mentioned a fair bit lately that I am doing "The Keto Diet".  Some other folks in chat are doing it too, or some version of  a "low carb" diet.  Lots of people ask what it's about, and I've been saying I would post something on the message forums to explain it.  Well here it is.

The Keto Diet - a VERY simplified explanation

The Keto Diet, called that because the goal is to keep your body in ketosis - a state where the body basically burns primarily stored fat for energy rather than converting food into more stored fat - is a low-carb, high fats, moderate protiens dietary plan.

(for those wanting a bit more detail, I'll do that in another post)

There are sort of two parts to "The Keto Diet".  There is the dietary plan itself, and then there is the practice of fasting (not eating). 

Fasting -
There are many different ways to incorporate fasting into the diet plan.  (Do you realize that you generally fast every day - or rather, every night?  You go all night without eating, then you have breakfast ---Break Fast, or a meal to break your fast!) Some people only do a "normal" fast, where they do not eat between the last meal of the day and the first meal of the next day.  Many people who follow the Keto Diet, however, do some longer form of fasting. This can vary anywhere from only eating 1 or 2 meals a day, or only eating between certain hours of the day, to much longer fasts, going a week, 2 weeks, or even longer without eating, and consuming only water, or only water and sugar-free drinks (such as unsweetened coffee and tea).  There are even some other versions where people do "egg fasts" (they only eat eggs!) or other single-food kinds of fasts.

When starting out on Keto, if your primary goal is weight loss, or you want to get your body into a state of ketosis fast, Doing a week-long (or longer) fast is a good way to "jump start" things.

Keto Diet - The Food! -
I find it easier to start with what NOT to eat, then go to what you SHOULD eat.  So if you like it the other way around, well switch the order that you read this info in, lol!

What NOT to eat -
on the Keto Diet, sugar is BAD, carbs are MOSTLY BAD, starches = carbs, so they're BAD. Fruit has sugars so most fruits are BAD. So, the NO's are No Pasta, No Rice, No wheat flour (which means NO Breads as you are used to it, and No Breaded Fried Foods as you are probably used to them.  Also, most Root vegetables are No. Beans are No (except for green beans). And many of the foods we have always been taught are "healthy" have way more carbs and sugars than you would think if you haven't read up on the nutritional info on them.  Just because you pick it right from the garden, doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy in this new Keto Diet Plan.

Also, Protien is something you don't want to get too much of.  Usually up to about 20% of your meal comes from protiens on this plan.  If you are the type of person to exercise a lot, you can increase that a little, but if you're that type of person, you are probably also the type of person to pay more than average attention to nutritional info in the foods you eat.

What TO Eat! -
Pretty much any kind of leafy green vegetables are a Yes.  Also cruciferous veggies, like broccoli and cauliflower are Yes.  Zucchini, eggplant, cucumber, celery, radish, asparagus are all Good. Look for veggies that grow Above Ground.
Cheese is Good.  High fat dairy items such as cream and butter are Good. Nuts are ok in moderation (macadamias, walnuts, almonds), also some seeds (sunflower, pumpkin). Avocados and some berries are Good in moderation (strawberries, blackberries, raspberries and other low-glycemic impact berries). Tomatoes are ok in moderation. Olives are Good.

FATS are YES, but pay attention to where your fats come from.  Dump the vegetable oil, peanut oil and margarine, ease up a bit on the olive oil, and start using grass-fed butter (Kerry Gold is most often recommended), avocado oil and coconut oil.  Some people claim they don't like using coconut oil much cause they can taste the coconut but I have not found this to be an issue.  I can smell the hint of coconut, but I don't taste it, and I try to use whichever of the oils I feel will best suit whatever I am cooking.  Avocado oil doesn't seem to have any taste to me, and I use it most often.  Also feel free to use bacon fat, and oil/grease/tallow from fatty meats.  You can also use regular lard, and ghee (clarified butter basically).

Some very strict Keto Dieters will tell you that everything has to be as pure and natural as you can get it, including that you should use only grass-fed beef and butter from such.  But grass-fed beef can get pretty expensive.  My rule of thumb is basically buy what meats you can afford, just don't worry about it having to be really lean, cause you WANT the fat in it!

Almost any kind of meat, as long as it doesn't have anything added to it, is zero carbs.  So go ahead and enjoy some beef or sausage (watch for fillers!), lunchmeats, BACON (!), ham, proscuitto, pepperoni, lamb, pork, veal, venison, etc.  And most fish and seafood are good sources of protien, and of course Omega-3's.

Coconut milk is good, as is most anything that is from the coconut.  If you miss your milk, try UNsweetened Almond Milk (with or without the vanilla).  Whole milk is often suggested as acceptable in small amounts. You can leave out the skim milk and 1 & 2% stuff. You want the fat in it.

It is often actually the fact you are eating more fat on this diet that makes it easier than many other diets.  After all, if you think about it, the FAT is often where most of the FLAVOR of food comes from.  It traps and holds the seasonings, it makes the meat or veggies moist and carries the flavor throughout the food. So when you allow yourself to enjoy it, most people find they are more easily satisfied.

This kind of low-carb, high-fat diet also has other health benefits as well, and it's worth doing some internet research to learn more about the details and benefits.

Why/How do I do it? -

In my experience, the Keto Diet is about the easiest diet to stay on.  I am not a 'serial dieter' like some folks.  I have not tried a zillion different diets.  I have tried a few over the years.  I've done Weight Watchers, the Cabbage Diet, just simply trying to keep up with calories, dropping the fats and sugars, and a couple of diets where you eat little and exercise a LOT. 

I am not an exercise junkie. I don't like to run and jump around.  I don't like getting sweaty  most of the time.  I hate counting carbs (or counting anything, or keeping a diet diary, or looking up every bite I take!).

I also like food. I like the taste of my favorite foods.  I would sometimes find myself eating more than I really needed of something simply because I enjoyed the taste of it.  Naughty me.

Frankly, I'm doing it to lose weight.  I simply just didn't like where I was, so I finally pushed myself to check this keto thing out and give it a try.

Aside from the fasting part, which to be honest, is a lot easier than most people think, the most difficult part of 'doing keto' is just simply changing my habits.  If you're not hungry, DON'T EAT.  When you do eat, STOP WHEN YOU'RE NO LONGER HUNGRY.  And how many times have you heard that line "Breakfast is the most important part of the day!" - Bull malarky.  If you're not a breakfast-eating type person, then don't eat breakfast.  If you'd rather have breakfast but find you're not all that hungry for lunch, or supper, if you're not hungry, don't eat.  The snacking ...omg it is amazing how much we tend to snack out of HABIT!  Someone brought cake to work to share, and you go by and pick up a slice.  Jar of candy on someone's desk for anyone who comes by - how many times have you picked up a piece?  Dish of nuts on the table at a party - almost habit to just have some.  (DON'T) ...  You really notice things like that when  you're doing a fast.  Not because you're hungry at all, but just because it's HABIT for most of us to nibble.

Wrapping up -
Anyways, what I'm trying to say here is this is just a very simple introduction to what the Keto Diet is.  I heard about it and started looking into it, and decided to start out with a 30-day fast in Oct 2017.  (30 DAYS FAST?? OMG! And you didn't DIE????!!!) ...LOL yes I got a lot of comments about how I was just going to die if I didn't eat. You'd think people expected that after around 3 days I was just going to drop dead.  I never seriously felt like I was any hungrier than if I'd just missed ONE meal.  You have to get your head around the idea, and sort of be mentally prepared so you can resist the temptations to eat or snack or taste...  But you CAN do it.  And if you choose not to do the long fast, and just try the diet plan out, that's perfectly fine too, and lots of folks do that.  You'll find tons of success stories on the internet where people have worked this in a variety of ways.  Really the most important part is dropping the carbs and sugar.

Sometime soon I plan to post more on this -- some recipes I've tried, as well as some  more detailed info on the Keto plan itself and why it works.  And if you have a question you'd like to ask, Ask!  I'm no expert but I'll answer if I can or maybe try to find you some links.

« Last post by Yusif on June 18, 2018, 07:57:44 PM »
Happy Bday Devilish :)
« Last post by Nathan on June 18, 2018, 03:40:17 PM »
« Last post by JakeUK on June 18, 2018, 03:16:27 PM »
jake did u get devilish her new broom? or would u like me to get it?

Too late, Maxim is using it  ;D ;D ;D
« Last post by Nathan on June 18, 2018, 03:10:21 PM »
jake did u get devilish her new broom? or would u like me to get it?
« Last post by JakeUK on June 18, 2018, 10:05:03 AM »
Happy Birthday Devilish hugzzzz xxxx

Network News & Announcements / List of Network-administered channels on ICQ-Chat
« Last post by TNTease on June 18, 2018, 01:41:46 AM »
This is a list of the Network-owned and Network-administered channels on ICQ-Chat.
You can access a full list, including privately owned rooms that may allow you to join by typing /list (but do not use /list if you are connected through kiwi on the website, as it takes FOREVER to make the list. Sorry about that.)

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« Last post by Aussie_Lady on June 17, 2018, 11:25:31 PM »
happy birthday
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